A few weeks ago, I had an online discussion with a group of women who are the current wives of men who were previously married to high-conflict and/or abusive personality disordered women. This article is Part 2 of Second Wives Sound Off, Part 1: What Makes You the Most Angry about Divorce Law and Family Court?
As part of our discussion, I asked these ladies the following questions:
What makes you the most angry about divorce law and family court? What laws and practices make you angry enough that you’d get out there and work toward change? What about our current legal system and the way it treats men and fathers makes you fearful for your sons when they’re ready to begin having romantic relationships?
Here are some more of their responses:
Lady D: The first thing that comes to mind is the frivolous legal action that either party (but usually the mother) can instigate. It is not used to actually solve anything but is used to control the Ex-Spouse and to give the instigator a bully pulpit to embarrass the Ex-Spouse. The amount of time wasted on all sides, including the court’s time, the money and the emotional toll on the Ex-Spouse’s family, including kids who are difficult to shelter, is enormous. That would have saved us a lot of heartache and money.
Here’s another one. Why is it next to impossible to get a child away from a mentally ill/mentally unstable mother? Again, this is a biased process. A mentally ill mother that can damage their child mentally/emotionally/physically is allowed to retain custody until something catastrophic happens and it is too late for the child. And even then, they may only be put on some kind of a probation.
But let a bio mom allege that bio dad views porn on his computer, has a drink, etc. and the bio dad must have supervised visitation.
Lady E: Mine is that a father who refuses to support his child is a “deadbeat dad,” but mothers who can’t be bothered to work are not held to the same standard of being REQUIRED to provide financial support for their children. For mothers, “loving care” is an acceptable contribution, but not from a father – even one who’s custodial.
The no lowering of child support chaps my hide, too. When husband (DH) was fired, he started his own business to create a work situation that would be a long-term better choice for our family. He went in for a reduction and was told, “Your children shouldn’t have to finance your dreams.” What??? To them it would have been better for him to be unemployed than trying to start a business.
I’m also angry about how mothers get 500 chances to follow a court order, but fathers are smacked with fines for any tiny breech of the court order. DH had a fucking $1000 fine for not bringing the kids back on the date in an OLD court order. There was a new one with a new date that ex-wife (EW) was refusing to sign. DH didn’t know which date to follow. His attorney told him to follow the new date. The judge disagreed and even though the confusion was CAUSED by EW’s game playing and DH wasn’t purposely trying to go against the court order, they still called it contempt and gave him a whopper of a fine.
The heart of the problem is that the standard of behavior among the courts and personnel of the family system is that mothers are all good, all needy and all deserving and fathers are all bad, all deadbeats and all deserving of punishment for some crime, imagined or not. Second (or third or whatever) wives aren’t women. They’re home-wrecking whores or worse, they’re step-monsters intent on beating the children and separating them from their father’s money!
We’re not equal to first wives at all. We’re automatically viewed as potential baddies. Maybe it’s guilt by association to the father who is, of course, a deadbeat / abuser / child molester.
Lady F: Here’s what I find most ironic about the whole divorce court ideology.
If a man and woman are married and the man loses his job, and/or has to take a job making less money, the family adjusts and learns to live on the money available.
If a man and woman are divorced and the man loses his job, and/or has to take a job making less money, and can’t pay his court-required child support, the man is a criminal and could be faced with having to go to jail.
HOWEVER, a woman receiving child support is not held accountable for how the child support money is spent. The child could be wearing ratty clothes that don’t fit, never get haircuts or be taken to the doctor, and sharing a bed with multiple people, while the mother buys herself a new Coach bag every month. And NOTHING is done about this. I’ve actually heard about cases where the non-custodial father takes the mother to court and is ordered to pay ADDITIONAL child support in hopes that his child’s needs will be met.
Alternately, in the rare instances when the bio mom is non-custodial and is supposed to be paying child support, it is completely unenforced by the system. Why aren’t women who don’t pay child support thrown in jail and labeled DEADBEAT MOMS?
Lady B: My DH’s child support is currently paying his ex-wife’s current husband’s child support to his ex-wife. My stepchildren live like animals at their mother’s home. Every year, I am faced with the reality that if I don’t buy boots and hats, they will freeze while waiting for the bus out in the boondocks of ———–. We have to maintain a full household of items for the kids, even though they are only here on weekends because their mother refuses to spend child support on the children.
I love that I am the one who helped DH pay off his $30,000 debt from his student loans beause when he was married to EW, he went to school and rather than EW get a JOB to support him, they took out loans. Yet EW got alimony and gets child support increases as a bonus from the degree I paid for.
She gets the credit when she didn’t work one day and contribute a single dime to DH’s education, but she is seen as the long suffering housewife that he held back as he pursued his dreams.
And DH wanted to be a scientist, not a ———- but EW pushed him into MBA school because she wanted an earlier paycheck and science was “nerdy.”
In response to Lady B:
Lady F: On the subject of EW cashing in on DH’s current income . . . When I met DH, he was a beaten down man. EW had actually directly caused him to lose one of his sales jobs, when she had drained their checking account and he unwittingly wrote bad checks against money he thought he had in the account. She hid the collection notices from him. One day to DH’s surprise, the sheriffs came to his place of work and hand-cuffed him and took him to jail. He was subsequently “let go” from that job.
DH is hyper-vigilant now about watching OUR bank account. With that bad job referral, he was forced to take menial jobs, for which EW badgered him and called him a “loser.” When I met DH he was working in a call center in a technical support role making $50K/year (and giving $20K of that to EW).
I’ve made many sacrifices for DH’s career – the least of them being to drop MY job and move across country not once, but TWICE, for his career pursuits. I have never beaten him down or chastised him for spending his hard-earned money. I never accused him of cheating on me because he’s had to travel for business. And I certainly never called him a LOSER when he was down. I also don’t have a spending addiction. And I’ve never gotten him thrown in jail or arrested at his place of work.
Yet EW claims she was the one who suffered with him through the “hard times” (during those brief 5 whole years that they were together), and that now I am the one reaping the rewards and that I am living “her life.” That really pisses me off. “Her” life involves chaos and sabotage. Had DH stayed with her I have no doubt he would have either killed her, killed himself or become a full blown alcoholic.
Lady G: Basically, there are two sets of rules, one for the mother and one for the father. Fathers always have an uphill battle to prove themselves whereas a mother could roll down the hill drunk, in rags, yelling at what a POS the father is and a court would help her up and ask, “How much money do you want for your trouble?”
If women get in trouble with the court, the most they get is a slap on the wrist and are told to attend an anger management class, which is never followed up on. So, even if the courts do rule against the bio mom in some way, they don’t enforce the rules for them.
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Lady F says, “Yet EW claims she was the one who suffered with him through the “hard times” (during those brief 5 whole years that they were together), and that now I am the one reaping the rewards and that I am living “her life.” That really pisses me off. “Her” life involves chaos and sabotage. Had DH stayed with her I have no doubt he would have either killed her, killed himself or become a full blown alcoholic.”
I can relate to this. When I met my husband, he was broke. He had just re-entered the Army after having left it for a few years, partly at his ex wife’s behest. We got married six months after I finished grad school. I thought I would be starting my career, but when you have to move all the time due to the military, it can be hard to convince people to hire you. Consequently, I’m not being paid to use the two master’s degrees I worked hard to earn.
Meanwhile, since his divorce, my husband’s done quite well in his career and we’re a lot more comfortable than he ever was with her. Yet somehow, I’ve stolen the ex’s life and I’m an evil homewrecker and troublemaker. This is my first marriage and my husband and I started dating AFTER his divorce. She’s on her third marriage and was shacking up with #3 while she was married to my husband. Yet in her world, I’M the cause of all that’s gone wrong in her life. Must be nice to never have to own your problems and mistakes…
I still thank the ex, though, for turning him loose so I could grab him! 😉
Gail H says
I wholeheartedly agree with Lady D’s observation about not being able to get the children away from a mentally ill/unstable mother. Not only do we put these children in danger, but we guarantee the cycle of this type of abuse to continue through generations!
Knotheadusc, you are in good company. I, too, am the reason for for the crazy woman losing her family and marriage. She has been terrorizing me since the time she found out that we had a serious relationship. I live in small town america and she is always running her mouth about how that there is no honor in a relationship when it began as an affair. She went as far as to hack onto my Facebook to post a comment on a picture I posted of my engagement ring, ranting that same mantra. In her mind we had been dating two years prior to them splitting, when I wasn’t even aware of either of them existing.
And I agree, he was worth the wait and she never deserved his kind and gentle spirit.
We were lucky in that we live in Canada where alimony is rare and child support is generally payable by pre-set income-tested guidelines. Otherwise I am sure my husbands BPD ex would have used having 2 teenagers as a free ticket to sitting home, collecting money and watching Oprah all day and polishing up her “victim” story while married to hubby # 2 she ran off with. My husbands lawyer did however warn him years ago that it was possible that one day she might claim she is destitute and come after him again even when she has been married to someone else for years. Luckily with each passing year that approach becomes less and less likely to succeed in courts even if she truly did became destitute. She is responsible for her own livelihood now.
My stbx discovered a way to keep me dangling for over 2 years as her and her government paid for lawyer won’t complete the divorce so this leaves me in no persons land! We have 2 special needs children and she won’t care for them properly and I love these 2 bright children and do my best to care for them including finding the love of my life who also adores these children. The only way to get any aid in the system is complete and total documentation which includes pictures, phone logs, text messages, voice recordings, video recordings and any other method including witnesses which you can think of. For me it has been one off the worst fire fights this retired military man has ever been in. I tried to save it for 39 years and I lost big time. And yes gentle people, court orders only apply to the men and not the soon to be ex! I roo am living proof!
I was inspired to dedicate the following to all ‘new’ wives of formerly abused men…(and, it’s a bit of a snarky FU to their formers):
Kind of a golden oldie these days…